Spirit’s Self-dialogue: An Ongoing Conversation by God

A dear Friend and very beautiful Soul wrote me the following message by e-mail after a phone conversation we had over the weekend.

    Marc … it is very interesting how our conversation goes on after I hang up the phone … “the dream of awakening” … seems to be my Easter message …

    The idea of an awakening self has been percolating in me … I am already the I that I am … the idea of an awakening self perpetuates a sense of separation …

    At one of Lorraine Sinkler’s classes she talked about a class Joel was having in Hawaii that she wanted to go to but she didn’t think she could afford to go … and then she had the realization that nothing takes “money … it takes Consciousness … The limited human concept of supply is so human and is no part of infinite indivisible unconditioned spiritual Consciousness …

    my son was teaching in a village in south Africa … a village right out of the pages of National Geographic … no electricity, no running water … I had no desire or intention to go … but one night as I was just sitting on the sofa … this feeling welled up in me … and I said “Self, I always listen to you, but this time you’ve gone too far … I am not going to South Africa” … well, the next morning at 9am I was at the post office getting a passport application … it was after my divorce and I had $2500 in the bank … I put $2000 on my credit card for the flight to Johannesburg … apartheid was raging and emotions were running high … it was a dangerous time … and an incredible life-altering experience for me … barriers seemed to fall away … time, space, culture divisions … what a magical village … it’s called Mashite … the people were so divine … and I called an Infinite way student and went to a tape group in Johannesburg … joel had a big following there …

    Your unfoldment on supply is so rich … working with “supply” leads us beyond the form of “money” …

    Thomas Traherne’s words come up a lot in me … I know I’ve mentioned them before … but I feel them now …

    “No brims, no borders in my Self I see … My Essence is capacity”

    Marc, I’m very grateful for your expression …

After reflecting on her message, it came as a realization to me that God was actually carrying on a conversation with Itself through us and within each of us, beyond what others might consider a mere dialogue over the phone between spiritual friends — Spirit’s self-dialogue!

Here is my response to her and my share of that “ongoing spiritual conversation.”

    Thank you for your wonderful sharing.

    I, too, seem to have had a similar Easter realization. Quite an amazing synchronicity with your message.

    It dawned on me during a meditation over the weekend that there is nothing to awaken from. “Awakening” implies an absence or lack of awareness, which is actually not true in the light of our nature as consciousness or pure awareness! As Joel used to say: Any form or condition of lack or limitation is hypnotism, suggestion or temptation by the carnal mind. And this holds true even in the case of realizing Truth. There is truly nothing to realize in terms of Truth for there is no Truth separate and apart from us— only just BE who/what we are in truth — the “I” that “I” already am (that “You” already are).

    You correctly expressed the key element when you wrote that you “feel it [them] now” with reference to Traherne’s words. We simply have to “feel” or experience the letter of truth at the heart or intuitive level of the mind (through the inner stillness and silence of meditation), where its Truth can be so felt or “experienced” as true. Lao Tzu was absolutely right when he said the issue of life is not a matter of “what” but of the “how” — the process, the way, the Tao. And Jesus taught us similarly that “I” is The WAY, the truth and the life.

    Yes, our conversation does go on long after we finish our phone communications, because the Spirit, that You are, continues Its self-dialogue infinitely with the same Spirit that I am. And we humanly experience the result of that “spiritual self-dialogue” within each of us and between us, as the “ongoing conversation” which transcends the fleeting, instrumental phone conversation. This is precisely why Joel wanted Infinite Way students to maintain association with one another, so that that “spiritual self-dialogue” can continue in our “Withinness” as well as outside of us, with others in the world. Isn’t Oneness perfectly wonderful!

    You thank me for my expression, but I say: “My expression” is “Your self-reflection” mirrored on the surface of the one Mind of God. I thank you for being that most beautiful soul image standing before the mirror of God’s Mind. Through “Your self-reflection” I, too, can see how great and wonderful Spirit is.


A Reflection

I have always wondered and marveled over what Yeshua (Jesus) meant exactly by his statement: “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20, ASV).  I am definitely getting the sense that Spirit carries on Its “self-dialogue” whenever a group of individuals come together in Oneness and in Truth, i.e., in the name or nature of the Christ.  

The transcendent Christ-Self in the individuals emerges from within that group gathering, to engage in a spiritual dialogue with the Father-Mother aspect of the same God-Self, during which the Son beholds the Father in oneness and truth.  Where two or more truth seekers come together in oneness and truth, there in their midst is the One-Presence of the cosmic God-Self.  Losing or releasing their human state of consciousness, they enter into the consciousness of spiritual Oneness where Spirit’s self-dialogue can take place.

Thereupon, an ongoing conversation by God with Itself transpires not only during the actual gathering but continues long after the gathering of individuals has taken place.  The conversation lingers and endures in the form of a continuing spiritual revelation by the Father to Its Son, and this is eventually perceived by the individual truth seeker(s) of the group as a realization of truth.

This true mystical conversation is different from the dualistic notion of a “conversation with God” that has been popularized by a series of books whose titles bear that phrase or expression or the concept promoted by traditional religion.  The “ongoing conversation” I speak of here is actually God’s self-dialogue, a conversation BY God with Itself (not with humans) — a revealing by God of Itself, to Itself — the mystery behind the prophet Moses’ realization of “I” am that “I am.”  

My friend is correct when, in the course of our phone conversation, she said that the entire Bible (all holy scriptures for that matter) is really all about the God-Self, about Its true divine spiritual nature as the One-Being and our finite human natures as the erroneous becoming of what that spirit Being is not.  God does not become man or human as is often taught about Jesus in the Christian religion or declared of human beings by the New Age movement or by some New Thought teachings.  Rather, God appears AS man.  There is not God and men: There is only God.  In the mirror-mind of God, God beholds only Itself in the fullness of Its own reflection, as the infinitude of things or forms it can possibly be in the realm of manifestations.

Now just as it is possible to hypnotize you into believing that there are snakes in the room, so is it possible to hypnotize you into believing that there is a selfhood other than God in any place where you happen to be.  As soon as you have been hypnotized into believing in a selfhood apart from God, you then logically accept all the beliefs regarding this selfhood: birth, growth, maturity, and ultimately death.  There is only one way to be rid of the human picture, and that is to understand that there is no person and there is no selfhood other than God in the room or in any other place.  But the hypnotized person will at once counter with, “How can you say that there is only God in the room?” And the answer is simple: there is only one Life, and that Life is God; there is only one Soul, and that Soul is God; there is only one Spirit; there is only one Law; there is only one creative Principle: God.  What then can be present except God?  Nothing!

The moment you see God and, you are hypnotized.  The moment you see a mortal, material world, you are hypnotized; and from then on, there is no possible way to get rid of the appearance.  That is the reason that even if you kill the snake over there in the flowerpot, two more will rise up to take its place. That is why with all the advances made in materia medica everybody still dies because everybody who is born must die.  They do and they will.  At best they may live a few more years, but that is all.  People still die of pneumonia; people still die of tuberculosis; they still die of cancer; they still die of heart failure, and were a cure found for these something else would immediately replace them.  
(Joel S. Goldsmith, Realization of Oneness, Chapter: “No And!,” 59-60; emphasis supplied.)


The apostle John rightly stated in his Gospel: “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16, NASB 1977 ed.)  God did not give a particular human being (Jesus) to the world that God was so enamored with.  God gave the world of Itself, that aspect of Itself which was, is, and always will be the Godhead expressing — that which John referred to as the Logos (the Word, “the only begotten Son”), the Christ-Spirit in each of us in which and by which we have our being.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
(John 1:1-5, NKJV)

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ” And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
(John 1:14-18, NKJV)


Easter is not about a man (albeit a declared God-Man) rising from the dead.  Easter is all about the expressing, the showing forth, of that Godhead in and through any individual bold and daring enough to be It.  Easter is the absolute freeing, the unbridled liberation, of the Christ Truth we are.  Let every day of your life be Easter!

(If you are moved by the Spirit within, feel free to continue our “ongoing spiritual conversation” by posting a reply to this blog below.)


About Marc of Contemplative Pathways

Marc teaches contemplative meditation in the context of "contemporary mysticism" under the style of "Contemplative Pathways." His spiritual work is backed by a profound understanding of mystical teachings and the mystical life, that is rooted in fifty (50) years of personal study, practice and spiritual unfoldment (inner realization and spiritual experience).  In the course of his spiritual journey, he has received the gifts of mystical discernment and spiritual transmission. Marc has been conducting classes and meetings on contemporary mysticism and meditation at the San Francisco Bay Area for over fifteen years, usually in a classroom, lecture, seminar, workshop, online meeting, or group practice setting. He has facilitated study groups and workshops for centering/contemplative meditation practice meetings since the 1980s. Marc's teaching work meaningfully shifts consciousness in students through the process of spiritual transmission and mystical transformation.  He enables others to embark on the spiritual journey by understanding the Truth teaching and by living its principles in their daily lives. His methodology of instruction is divinely inspired and firmly rooted in pure, authentic mysticism.  Marc's approach to the subject of contemporary mysticism is essentially nondenominational, nonsectarian, culturally interfaith, transreligious, definitively unitive, and unequivocally nondualistic. Within the context of the great shift in consciousness presently occurring all over the planet, Marc’s work focuses on individual and collective spiritual instruction and transformation. He promotes the practice of contemplation or meditation as the vehicle for spiritual transcendence and ascension to the higher dimensions of mystical consciousness. His other contributions to worldwide spiritual awakening and the global contemplative movement include spiritual mentoring, spiritual direction, and spiritual healing work. Marc is firmly committed to the vision of a global spiritual awakening and the divine promise of humanity’s mystical illumination. His brand of mysticism is the only true contemporary mysticism born of 21st century illumination and spirituality.  
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2 Responses to Spirit’s Self-dialogue: An Ongoing Conversation by God

  1. Anna says:

    “God gave the world of Itself, that aspect of Itself which was, is, and always will be the Godhead expressing” … this is magnificently simple and profound … that unconditioned image and likeness is ALL … and a world of appearances, stemming from an hypnotic belief in an imaginary selfhood apart from God who ate of an imaginary tree with knowledge of good and evil, is never externalized reality …


    • How very true! It’s called the Adamic DREAM. And that is all the human condition is — a dream in a sleep we have awaken from. 🙂

      Do not expect the power of God to function in the “dream,” but rather to break the dream.

      Do not contact God to adjust, change, or heal the dream.  The understanding or awareness of God breaks the dream.

      To know that one has been functioning in the dream is the beginning of the awakening.
      (Joel S. Goldsmith, from The Infinite Way,
      Chapter: “Wisdoms of The Infinite Way,” 173-174)


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